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DONCASTER WORKS

 

PART 32  -  GENERAL PLAN DRAWINGS

 

(Later known as General Arrangement drawings)

 

THEIR ORIGIN

 

The Q series appears to have been started around July 1866, superseding the earlier system which listed General Plan drawings for passenger engines in the A series.  The latest drawing traced in the A series was A20 dated 18 April 1866, which afterwards became Q12.  Selected drawings were renumbered in date order from Q1 upwards.   It is possible drawings not relevant for future reference were not renumbered, but retained with their original numbers for as long as thought necessary.   There is compelling evidence that all the early General Plan drawings survived until at least 1900, apparent by the detailed knowledge of these earlier locomotives described by George Frederick Bird.  Apart from detailed dimensions, Bird was able to  draw  sketches of many types suggesting he was able to borrow (on behalf of the Locomotive Publishing Company) the early drawings held at Doncaster.   Bird probably examined those drawings in the Works Manager’s office, but missed those held in the LDO.  

 

 Hence he was unable to prepare a sketch for “Jenny Lind” 2-2-2s Nos. 201/02 rebuilt.  It should also be borne in mind that quite often there were differences between a drawing and the finished locomotive, in addition to the occasional drawing slip made by Bird.  In this latter respect the reader is referred to Bird’s (unfinished) drawing of E B Wilson 2-4-0 No. 76.  Many of the original drawings are long gone, so there were perhaps other slips which cannot now be detected.  These early locomotives will be dealt with later.

 

At a later date, thought to be around 1873, the various sections (I, N, O, P, Q etc) were brought together in one register, with details from the earlier records being copied into a new book (which partly exists today).  There were blank entries in the new register, presumably where the drawings concerned were by then obsolete, and had perhaps even been destroyed.  Copying entries can lead to errors, especially reading indistinct figures at a later date. 

 

So the Q list started as a selection of General Plans of passenger locomotives worth keeping, but by the time it had been consolidated into the one register (say, 1873) there had been changes.

 

The first Q page of the new (c.1873) register covered Q1 to Q30 as copied from the original Q list, and is set out in the table below.  By this time Q12 had become obsolete and so was omitted in the new register.  Oddly the drawing itself remained, so for completeness details for this entry have been inserted (in green) based on the description written on the drawing itself.  Certain drawing dates or engine numbers were missed out in the register, though they could have been present on the original list, as they appeared on the drawings anyway.  For completeness these have been inserted in the table in red.  The drawing date for Q1 was probably copied across in error as it was seven years out.  The date entered in the register is as shown below in blue, as it is always possible it was not a copying error (in c.1873) but was wrong in the original list (1866). This seems unlikely as it would then have become obvious to the original compiler that the entries were out of date order.

Q LIST

Date on
Drawing

No. on
Dwg
.


DESCRIPTION OF DRAWING

Apr 30    57 (D)

1

Coup’d pass eng  76 to 90 (Wilsons)

 

2

Cross Sections           “           “

 

3

Elevation   of  Eng.  & tender  214

               51

4

Coup’d passeng.       71 to 75 (Hawthorns)

Sep 9     54

5

  “        “   223  –  228

Nov 3     “

6

  “       “    160        (as altered)

May 24  56

7

  “        “    100

Nov        59

8

Express       “     “   229  to 240

 

9

Pass      tank     “   241  –  250 (Slaughters)

Mar 22   65

10

Coup’d    pass    “   251  –  260 (Sharps)

  Mar        65 (A)

11

Trailing end Coup’d pass  “   264  –  269

Apr 18   66 (B) (C)

12

Met tank                      “   270  –  279 (B)

July 11   “

13

6ft   Wheel    pass     “   201 and 202

Dec 21   “

14

Alteration to   “   “   24.26.28.34.48

Apr 6     67

15

Nielsons Met tank  270  to  274 (tracing)

Apr         “  (A)

16

Avonside  “      “     275   –   279         “

May 10   “

17

Arrangement of mountgs &C on firebox. 280 to 299

Aug        67

18

4 Wheels coup’d passr eng. 18.23.40.44.49 &c

Jan         68

19

7ft     “      express  “       “      4.6.14.21.41.222

Sep         “

20

4 Wheels coup’d Metn tank eng.  125.126.127

July        69

21

 “    “        “    Pass Engine   280  to  299

March   70

22

 “    “     “  “    “ No 70 & 67. 6/0 Wheels

   “           “

23

7.6   Express   pass   engine    No 92

   “           “

24

8.0    “   “         “             “    1.8.33.2.3

Sepr        71

25

5.6 Tank  Pass   “            No 12

Jany        72

26

5.6 Coupled Bogie Tank “ Nos 120.128 &c

May        72

27

5.6    “         Tank Engine Nos 10.20.42.43

October 72

28

6.6    “         Pass Engine 171/2 x 26  Nos 86 &c (A)

July       73

29

6.0  Pass Engine 16  x 21 Nos 51  to  69. Rebuilt

 “            “

30

6.6   “  “ 161/2 x 21  Nos  91  to  99     “

 Notes:

(A) Words and figures shown in red were missing on this page and probably not carried forward from the original list by mistake.

(B) Words and figures (or similar wording) shown in green on this page were probably deliberately not carried forward from the original list, as the drawing was by then obsolete.

(C) Omitting the date for Q12 meant that the ditto marks for the year for Q13 and Q14 then suggested 1865 in error for 1866.

(D) The year 1857 has apparently been miscopied, as 1850 seems more likely.  These engines were ordered on 26 March 1850.

SUBSEQUENT Q DRAWINGS

Later, drawing Nos. Q1 to Q7 became obsolete and their numbers were re-used, likewise the blank Q12 was re-used.  Q12 was in fact re-used twice as its second use was cab and firebox fittings, and was subsequently transferred elsewhere.  These subsequent allocations were as follows.

Date on
Drawing

No. on
Drawing

DESCRIPTION OF DRAWING

 

Feby /81

June 1st /75

12

12

Outside Elevation Bogie Tank Engines 658 to 661

Cab & fire box fittings 5’-6” & 3’-6” 4 Coupl.

March 8th /78

1

Four Coupled Passr Tank Engs 16” x 22” Cyls Wheels 5ft.

May 3rd /79

2

Passenger Tank Engs Nos 270 to 274. Rebuilds

Feby 10th /80

3

6’-6” Passr Engs Four Coupld 171/2“x 26”. 4’-3” Boiler

June 22nd /80

4

Metropolitan Tank Engs

July /80

5

Outside Elevation 8ft Express Enge

July 30th /80

6

Express Passr  Enge 8Ft. Class Nos 662 to 671

Mar – 1881

7

Bogie Tank Engine (Side Tanks) Nos 658 to 661

For completeness, the engine numbers which appertained for Q1/3/4/5, were as follows:  Q1 629 & 630;   Q3 223 &c;   Q4 652 to 657;   Q5 662 to 671.

The second Q page of the register covered Q31 onwards down to Ivatt’s time.

Q39 remained blank though there is a faint impression on the page suggesting something could have been written there originally.
Q42 was originally entered as “Six Coupld Saddle Tanks Nos 688 to 693”, then deleted when it was realised these were goods engine, and the drawing then appeared as P33.
Q43 was entered as for Nos. 1000 & 1001, but afterwards amended to 232 & 238

 

DRAWINGS IN THE THOMPSON ERA

 

Following the purge by Edward Thompson in 1942, the earliest drawings held in the Locomotive Drawing Office (LDO) were mostly general Plan, dating back to Sturrock's early days at Boston.  These were stored in cylindrical containers, known as "submarine tins" and (allegedly) buried for safety, both from enemy action and Thompson's prying eyes.  They were numbered in two series, A for passenger engines and B for goods engines. Universal (i.e. mixed traffic) 0-4-2 engines were at first treated as passenger, then under Stirling as goods, then finally under Ivatt as passenger.  These drawings were later numbered in a new series (P for Goods and Q for Passenger) so will be covered again later.

 

In addition to these general Plan drawings there were some other drawings, for example 13D (in "submarine tin" 34) for a patent firebox longitudinal mid-feather.  It was usual practice from 1847 to 1866 for the GNR to specify to contractors that the firebox should have a mid-feather, of such proportions that would give a heating surface of 100 sq. ft.  I also noted that drawings 14D and 15D were present, though I did not inspect them.  They were probably for mid-feathers too, as there were different types, such as transverse mid-feather (which entailed pitching the fire-hole higher up, so that coal could be fed well forward into the lower section) and longitudinal mid-feather (which entailed two fire-holes).  47D (dated June 22 1859) came to attention in 2015; this was for replacement domed boilers for Nos. 127-32 and corresponds with the General Arrangement drawing 20B (dated August 1858) which later became P9 but the surviving copy is dated 13 November 1862.

 

Finally there were the Tender general Arrangement drawings, numbered in the R series, and these will be dealt with last.

 

DRAWINGS FOR ENGINES

 

STURROCK SERIES

 

Dwg.
No.
Date Wheel
arrangement
Engine Nos. Builders See
Stirling refce.
A Series          
1A 9/9/-- (a) 2-4-0 71-75
76-90
Hawthorn
Wilson
Q4
8A ? 2-2-2 214 Hawthorn Q3
16A ? 0-4-2T 241-50 Slaughter Q9
15A /1858 0-4-2 1-50 altered Sharp -
17A 22/3/1865 2-4-0 251-60 Sharp Q10
20A 18/4/1866 0-4-2T 241-50 rebt. Sharp Q12
B Series          
1B 16/10/1855 0-4-2 110 Hawthorn P6
5B (b) 8/1855 0-4-2 plan 157 altered Wilson P4
6B 28/8/1855 (c) 0-4-2
cross-section
157 altered Wilson P5
9B 3/11/1854 0-4-2 160 rebt. Hick Q6
11B 4/2/1851 (d) 0-6-0 168-97
198/99, 300-07
Wilson
 Fairbairn
P1
13B 5/1853 (e) 0-6-0 328-32
333-37/81-85
338-47/68-80
348-62/86-90
363-67
Hawthorn
Kitson
Wilson
Sharp (f)
Vulcan
P3
18B (b) 23/8/1856 0-6-0 plan 198/99, 300-07 (g) Fairbairn P7
19B 10/1856 0-6-0
 cross-section
198/99, 300-07 (g) Fairbairn P8
20B 8/1858 (h) 0-4-2ST 121-26 (j) rebt. Bury P9
22B (b) 1/1864 0-6-0  plan 400-09
410-19
Kitson
Hawthorn
P11
23B 30/3/1864 0-6-0
cross-section
400-09
410-19
Kitson
Hawthorn
P12
24B ? 0-6-0 420-9/40-49
430-39
450-55
456-60
461-69
Neilson
Kitson
Vulcan
Avonside
Hawthorn
P13
25B ? 0-6-0ST 111/34/39/40 rebt
144/49/53/55 rebt. (k)
Hawthorn
Wilson
 
P10

 

Notes:

a. Year missing or undecipherable

b. Assumed reference

c. Drawn at Doncaster

d. Signed by Sturrock

e. Drawn at Boston

f. Sharp, Stewart

g. Register just shows No. 4 Goods type

h. Later (surviving) copy dated 13/11/1862.

j. Register shows 121-7 which is assumed to be a clerical error

k. Numbers entered in this order: 134, 139, 144, 149, 111, 140, 153, 155

 

 

POST STURROCK SERIES

 

It appears the Stirling carried on with the old system until about 1873, when a new series commenced in which P was for Goods and Q for Passenger engine general arrangements. These new categories continued through to the end, though the distinction between P and Q latterly became somewhat blurred.  Earlier arrangement drawings that were still needed (as at say 1873) were renumbered P1 or Q1 upwards as appropriate in date order.  Entries in the drawing register prior to the mid 1870s suggest they were written at the same time by the same hand.  In the course of time as a drawing was successively re-copied evidence of the earlier number was gradually lost.  But the earlier tinted general arrangement drawings on cartridge paper were too good to throw away and were kept.  Most were still valid but had been replaced by modern copies, the exception being 15A (dated 1858, above).  Another obsolete drawing would have been that for Sturrock's 4-2-2 No. 215.  This engine had been scrapped in 1869, so its general plan never acquired a Q number.  This drawing too should have survived for some time, but had disappeared by 1960.  It was the absence of an entry for this engine in the drawing list that was the clue to dating the change.  Although older drawings would disappear in the course of time, at least their references would remain in the registers.

 

Around the late-1870s, many of the early drawings were obsolete and quite likely scrapped.  It was decided to start back at 1 again, Q1 and so on, filling in the newly created blanks.  Thus Q1 to Q7 were reissued, then there was a jump to Q12 because Q8 to Q11 were still extant. In fact the old drawings Q4 to Q7 had not been destroyed, and in fact they missed the 1942 Blitz, both German and Thompson. Unfortunately they may not have missed the blitz during the 1970s.  These duplicated drawing numbers, Q1-7/12, are sorted below in date order.  Also sorted in, in date order, are the odd drawings which did not receive numbers for some reason.

Some of the dates are from the drawings, others from the register entries

   The drawings that were renumbered are shown thus:

   (11B) P1 denotes P1 was 11B.

   (P31) Q72 denotes P31 became Q72.

 

An attempt has been made under Title to literally display the entry as it appeared in the earliest Stirling register [with my amplifications within square brackets]. Bearing in mind the crossings out and amendments in the original, this is difficult at times. In those cases where the dates were entered July 16 1875, these have been standardised as 16/7/1875 etc. in the Date column.

 

Note the shorthand use of, for example, 5/6 for 5ft. 6in.; and &c for etc.; and do. for ditto

 

P SERIES GOODS ENGINE DRAWINGS

 

Dwg.
No.
Date Wheel
Arrange-
ment

Drawing Title

(11B) P1 4/2/1851 0-6-0 16" cyl. goods eng.                    [168-97]
P2   0-6-0    "    "         "    "   308 to 317 (Stephensons)
(13B) P3 5/1853 0-6-0    "    "         "    "  5'-3" wheels    [328-90]
P4 8/1855 0-4-2 Wilsons alt'd "    "  157
(6B) P5 28/8/1855 "       "     cross sections
(1B) P6 16/10/1855 0-4-2 Hawthorns         110
(?18B) P7 23/9/1856 0-6-0 16 x 24     goods  5ft. wheels (No.4)
                                              [198/9, 300-7]
(19B) P8 10/1856 " cross sections "
(20B) P9 8/1858 0-4-2ST Tank eng's        121 to 127    [121-6, but not 127]
(25B) P10 - 0-6-0ST    "      "       117. 134. 139. 144. 149. 111 &c
                  [134/9/44/9, 111, 140/53/5]
P11 1/1864 0-6-0 Goods " and steam tenders 400 to 419
(23B) P12 30/3/1864 " Cross section of do. and "
(24B) P13 - 0-6-0 Goods eng                        420 to 469
P14 11/1866 0-4-2 4  wheels  coup'd  eng.      101 to 115
P15 18/12/1866 0-6-0 Alteration to goods "         410 to 419 (Hawthorns)
P16 3/1867 0-6-0 6 wheels coup'd      "        474 to 493 and 369.
P17 5/1867 0-6-0ST      "           "       tank        124, 162. 392
P18 12/1868 0-6-0ST      "           "           "          396   (4ft. wheels) [and
                                possibly 471/0, 136-8, 399, 605/4]
P19 9/1870 0-6-0ST      "           "           "          395 and 398  5/- wheels
                                                    [and possibly 166/7]
P20 11/1871 0-6-0      "          "           "         174. 376 &c  19 x 28
                                               [plus 158, 145/6, 164]
P21 6/1872 0-6-0      "           "  Rebuilt goods (400 to 469 Class &c)
P22 7/1872 0-6-0      "           "  Goods - 17½ x 26,   171 to 193 &c
P23 12/1873 0-6-0ST      "          "  Tank Engine  4/ 6 Wheels  17½ x 26
[494-9, 500, 601-3, 616-20/33, also 606-15 with short wheelbase]

 

 

[P] 23/7/1874 0-6-0ST [no entry in register, for 397]
(P24)
Q71
7/1875 0-4-2 4 Wheels Coupld 5'-6" Express Goods 17½ x 24 Section
                                    [74, 36 etc. to 66, 551-600]
                              [Entry deleted, rewritten in
                                Q register]
P25 7/1875 "     "             "      Elevation Eng & Tender
P26 5/1875
4/1878
0-6-0ST Express Goods Six Coupld Tank Enge Nos. 144 & 145
    [134/9/40/4/9/55 rebt. & 111]      [145 not confirmed]
P27 10/1879 0-6-0 Six Coupld. Goods Engs. Nos. 640, 647-8-9-650 & 651
                                                     [also 716-50]
P28 3/1880 0-6-0ST Six Coupld Tank Enge.                   [634-9, etc]
P29 12/1881 0-6-0                                                  (Outside Elevation)
Six Coupld Goods Engine  17½ x 26  5 ft. Wheels
                                                      [716-50]
P30 6/1882 0-6-0ST Six Coupld Tank with 4 ft. Wheel for Blackwall Traffic
                                             Nos. 156-385-
                                                  [684-7, 134/40/4/9]
[It is possible Nos. 684/5 were originally allocated
156, 385, and that the change has gone unnoticed]
P31 9/1882 0-4-2 Four Coupld 5'-6" Engine (Universal class) Q79
                                                 [103/4/12-5, 105-10]
                            [Entry deleted, rewritten
                                                        in Q register]
P32 12/1882 0-6-0 Six Coupld Tank Engine with 4'-6" Wheels. Cyls 17½ x 26
Six Coupld Goods Engine with 4'-6" Wheels. Cyls 17½ x 26
[The entire line had been crossed out and rewritten above it, for the sake of only one word that was incorrect]
                                    [374, 172, 185/9/42/88/56/7]
P33 1/1883 0-6-0ST Six Coupld Tank Engine 4'-6" Wheels. Cyls 17½ x 26
                                                          688 to 693
                                                 [also 854-60, 901-20]
P34 9/1891 0-6-0ST Saddle Tank Engine (Outside Elevation)
                                 [921-30/61-80, 1046-60, 1211-5]
P35 1/1892 "   "         "        "  4'-6" Wheels, 10'-6" Boiler barrel,
                                         Cyls. 18 x 26
                                 [921-30/61-80, 1046-60, 1211-5]
P36 1/1895 0-6-0 6 Wheels Coupld Goods Eng. 4'-6" Wheels
                                              [1021-26, later 1021-30]
P37 11/1895 0-6-0        "          "        "           "      5'-0" Wheels
                                                                [1031-45]
Ivatt
Era
     
P38 9/1896 0-6-0        "          "        "           "       "        "      (Domed
                                                                 boiler)
                                                               [1081-1090]

 

 

Ivatt
Era
Date Wheel
Arrange-
ment

Details

P39 3/1897 0-6-0ST Class J16 (LNER J55)  606, 610 rebt. with domes
P40 8/1897 0-6-0ST Class J13 (LNER J52)  1201-10/51-70
P41 10/1897 0-6-0 alteration at trailing end  5'-0" Standard Goods
P42 6/1898 0-6-0ST Class J13 (LNER J52)  1201-10, EO203
P43 8/1898 0-6-0 Class J4 (LNER J3)  1101-73, 313 etc. to 399
P44 9/1899 " ditto and 3170 gallons tender (for painting)
P45 5/1900 0-8-0 Class K1 (LNER Q1)  401-55
P46 2/1896 !! 0-6-0ST  Class J14 (LNER J53)  1046-60, outside elevation
P47 3/1891 !! 0-6-0ST painting details
P48   2-6-0
 elevation
Class H1  Baldwin engines 1181-1200
P49 11/1907 plan ditto
P50 26/9/1910 0-8-0 Class K1 (LNER Q1)  420 superheated
P51 26/9/1910 end view ditto
P52 18/5/1911 0-6-0 Class J22 (LNER J5)  21-40 EO260/262
Gresley
 Era
     
P53 12/10/1912 2-6-0 Class H2 (LNER K1)  1630 EO270
P54 28/5/1914 2-8-0 Class O1 (LNER O1)  456-60 EO274
P55 6/3/1915 0-6-0 Class J22 (LNER J6)  521-610, 621-40
P56 13/4/1915 2-6-0 Class H3 (LNER K2)  1650-9 EO281
P57 8/1918 2-8-0 Class O1 (LNER O1)  462-76
(P58/1)
P57/2
7/1918 cab, pipe
& rod
ditto
(P58/2)
P58
6/1920 2-6-0 Class H4 (LNER K3) 1000-9 EO290
P59 6/1920 2-6-0 ditto
P60 10/1921 2-8-0 Class O1 (LNER O1)  462-76 (N.B. Loco. Co dwg)
P61 3/1918 2-6-0 Class H3 (LNER K2)  1660-79 (N.B. Loco. Co dwg)
LNER
Period
     
P62 5/7/1924 2-8-0 Class O2 side elevation
P63 30/4/1925 2-8-2 Class P1 booster
P64 14/1/1926 2-8-2 Class P1 EO303
P65 18/9/1929 0-6-0T Class J50 EO306
P66 - P73 11/1929 0-8-4T Class S1, booster, various drawings
P74 5/1935 0-6-0 Class J39 Pipe & Rod
P75 6/1936 0-6-0 Class J39 painting & lettering
P76 11/1936 0-6-0ST Class J52 mechanical stoker
P77 3/1937 2-6-2 Class V2 EO339
P78 11/1937 0-6-0ST Class J52 mechanical stoker
P79 11/1937 0-6-0T Class J50 end view
P80 2/1938 0-6-0T Class J50/3
P81 5/1938 0-6-0T Class J50/4

 

 

P82 9/1938 0-6-0 Class J39
P83   2-8-0 Class O2 N.B. Loco. Co dwg
P84   2-8-0 ditto
P85 10/1939   lettering for overseas preparation
P86   2-8-8-2 Class U1 Beyer Peacock dwg
P87 4/1942 2-8-0 WD Class O4 oil burning
P88 5/1942 0-8-0T Class Q1
P89 7/1942   NE lettering of tenders
P90     diesel shunter
P91     ditto
P92   4-6-0 Class B16/3
P93 7/1943 4-6-0
 end view
ditto
P94 1/1944 2-8-0
 pipe & rod
Class O1
P95   end view ditto
P96     diesel electric shunter
P97     ditto
P98 9/1946 2-6-4T Class L1
P99   end view ditto
P100 10/1946 2-8-0 2-8-0 oil burner
P101 11/1946 2-8-0 Class O4 oil burner
P102 11/1946 0-8-0 Class Q6 oil burner
P103 12/1946 2-6-0 Class K3 oil burner
P104 12/1946 0-6-0 Class J39 oil burner
P105 12/1946 2-8-0 Class O2 oil burner
P106 1/1947 2-6-0 Class K3 oil burner
P107 1/1947 0-6-0 Class J39 oil burner

 

 

BR
Period
     
P108 3/1948 2-6-4T Class L1 steam brake
P109 4/1948 end view ditto
P110 3/1948 2-6-4T Class L1 Westinghouse brake
P111 3/1948 end view ditto
P112   2-6-0 Class K1 end view
P113   end view ditto
P114   4-6-2 Class A1 60539
P115 10/1949 Bo+Bo  
P116 10/1949 ditto  
P117 10/1949 ditto  
P118 2/1951 4-6-0 BR Standard
P119      
P120      
P121 6/1952 2-8-8-2 Class U1 oil burner
P122   2-6-0 BR Standard
P123   2-6-0 BR Standard, end view
P124   Co-Co  
P125   ditto  
P126 1/1953 ditto  
P127 3/1953 ditto  

 

 

Note: several modern drawings were missing when I made my inventory in 1960. The Bo+Bo and Co-Co drawings for example were then held at Derby (Trent House).

 

Q SERIES PASSENGER ENGINE DRAWINGS

                   

Dwg.
No.
Date Wheel
Arrange-
ment

Drawing Title

Q1 30/4/1857 2-4-0 Coup'd pass. eng  76-90 (Wilsons)
with transverse mid-feather in firebox
Q2 " 2-4-0 Cross Section "         "
(8A) Q3 - 2-2-2 Elevation of Eng & Tender  214
                                 [possibly applied to 203/13/4]
(1A) Q4 /1851 2-4-0 Coup'd pass. eng  71 to 75 (Hawthorns)
Q5 9/9/1854 2-4-0    "         "        "     223 - 228
(9B) Q6 3/11/1854 0-4-2    "                  "      160
Q7 24/5/1856 2-4-0    "                  "      100
Q8 11/1859 2-2-2 Express  "       "      229 to 240
[the date on the latest dwg. was 23/9/1862]
Q9 - 0-4-2T Pass. tank      "       241 - 250 (Slaughters)
(17A) Q10 22/3/1865 2-4-0 Coup'd pass  "        251 - 260 (Sharps) 
Q11 - 2-4-0 Trailing and coup'd pass  264 - 269
(20A) Q12 18/4/1866 0-4-2T [Entry obliterated by a later dwg. entry. Details taken
from my copy of the drawing obtained in 1962]
[241-50 Rebuilt]
Q13 11/7/1866 2-2-2 6ft wheel pass      201 and 202
Q14 21/12/1866 0-4-2 Alteration to         24. 26. 28. 34. 48
Q15 6/4/1867 0-4-2T Nielsons [sic] Met tank  270 to 274 (tracing)
Q16 6/4/1867 0-4-2T Avonside      "         275 - 279     "
Q17 10/5/1867 2-4-0 Arrangements of mountgs &c on firebox  280-99
Q18 8/1867 0-4-2 4 wheels coup'd passr eng 18. 23. 40. 44. 49 &c
Q19 1/1868 2-2-2 7 ft  "      express   "     "     4. 6. 14. 21. 41. 222
Q20 9/1868 0-4-2WT 4 wheels coup'd Metn tank eng 125. 126. 127
Q21 2/1869 2-4-0     "            "       Pass engine 280 to 299
Q22 3/1870 0-4-2     "            "          "       "       No 70 & 67.  6/0 Wheels
Q23 3/1870 2-2-2 7.  6  Express pass engine No 92
Q24 3/1870 4-2-2 8.  0     "           "      "        "    1. 8. 33. 2. 3
Q25 9/1871 0-4-2WT 5.  6   Tank  Pass     "       No 12 Rebuilt from 2-2-2
Q26 1/1872 0-4-4WT 5.  6   Coupled Bogie Tank  Nos 120, 128 &c 
Q27 5/1872 0-4-2WT 5.  6        "        Tank Engine Nos 10. 20. 42. 43
Q28 10/1872 2-4-0 6.  6        "        Pass Engine 17½ x 26 Nos [blank]

 

                   

Dwg.
No.
Date Wheel
Arrange-
ment

Drawing Title

Q29 7/1873 2-2-2 6.  0  Pass Engine  16 x 21     Nos 51 to 69 Rebuilt
Q30 6/8/1873 2-2-2 6.  6    "       "         16½ x 21  Nos 91 to 99  "
Q31 23/7/1873 2-4-0                                           Nos 223 to 228
6.  6  Coupled Pass engine 225 Class  (Rebuilt)
Q32 - 2-2-2 7.  0  Passr Engine Nos 229 to 240         "
Q33 13/10/1874 2-2-2 7.  0     "        "       Nos 264 to 269        "
Q34 10/7/1874 2-2-2 6.  6    "         "       Nos 204 to 214
Q35 22/9/1874 2-4-0 6.  0    "         "       Nos 251 to 260
Q36 16/12/1874 2-4-0 6.  0    "         "       No 79
Q37 8/1874 4-2-2 8.  0    Passr Engine Nos 1. 2. 3. 5. 8. 22. 33. 34. 47. 48
Q38   4-2-2 8.  0      "        "        Nos 1-2-    Cross Sections
Q39     not made
Q40 2/1876 0-4-2ST 5   0 Pass Tank Engs Nos 501-2-3
Old
numbers
re-used
     
Q1 8/3/1878 0-4-4T Four Coupled Passr Tank Engs 16" x 22" Cyls  Wheels 5ft
Q2 3/5/1879 0-4-2WT Passenger Tank Engs Nos 270 to 274 Rebuilds
Q3 10/2/1880 2-4-0 6' 6" Passenger Engs Four Coupld  17 x 26 4' 3" Boiler
Q4 22/6/1880 0-4-4WT Metropolitan Tanks Engs     [652-7]
Q5 7/1880 4-2-2 Outside Elevation 8ft Express Engs
Q6 30/7/1880 4-2-2 Express Passr Engs 8ft Passenger Class Nos 662 to 671
Q7 3/1881 0-4-4T                                                          (as altered)
Bogie Tank Engine (Side Tanks) Nos 658 to 661
Q12 2/1881 0-4-4T Outside Elevation Bogie Tank Engines 658 to 661
New numbers used      
Q41 12/1881 2-4-0 Outside Elevation Pass Engine 6' 6" Four Coupld & Tender

 

                   

Dwg.
No.
Date Wheel
Arrange-
ment

Drawing Title

Q42 9/1/1883 0-4-4T 5'-0" Passr Tank Engine Bogie & Side Tanks Nos 694 to 698
Six Coupld Saddle Tanks Nos 688 to 693
[Entered in error in wrong book. Altered to P33]
Q43 31/10/1884 2-2-2 7'-6" Passr Engs Nos 1000 & 1001 232 & 238
18½" x 26"   [Engine numbers altered]
Q44 1/1886
1/7/1885
2-2-2 7' 6" Wheel Express Passr Engine Cylrs 18½ x 26 Nos 232, 238  (outside elevn)  [dwg. date altered]
Q45 1/1886 2-2-2   "      "           "          "        "          "      "         ",
with increased Boiler Nos. 229, 230, 231, 233, 234,
235, 236, 237, 239, 240
Q46 10/1887 2-4-0 Four Wheels Coupd Passr Engs Cylrs 17½ x 26 Wheels
6' 6"
Q47 1/1888 4-2-2 Express Passr Eng 8'-0" Wheel 19 x 28 Cylrs   Section
Q48 20/2/1888 4-2-2    "           "       "      "        "          "  (Outside Elevation)
                                                [771-5/7/8, 1001/2]
Q49 20/5/1889 0-4-4T Metropn Side Tank Engine 5'-6" Wheels - 766 to 770
                                                            [plus 821-30]
Q50 4/1892 0-4-4T   "            "       "       "          "        "         931 to 940
Q51 12/1894 4-2-2 Express passr engines 8'-0" Wheels 19½ x 28 Cyls Nos 1003,1004, 1005, 1006, &c  [plus 1007/8]
Q52 9/1895 0-4-4T Alteration to Passr Tank Eng No. 245

 

 

Dwg.
No.
Date Wheel
Arrange-
ment

Details

Ivatt
Era
   

 

Q53 1/1897 4-4-0 Class D2 (LNER D4)  Nos. 400, 1071-80,
1301-20/41-60
Q54 7/1897 4-4-0 Class D1 (LNER D2)  Nos. 1321-40/61-99, 1180
Q55 8/2/1898 0-4-4T Class G4 (LNER G1)  Domed Nos. 763, etc.
Q56   4-4-2T Class C2 (LNER C12)  Nos. 1009/10/3-20, 1501-20
Q57 10/1898 4-2-2 Class A5  Nos. 92, 100, 261-64/6-70
Q58 8/1897 4-4-2 Class C1 (LNER C2)  Nos. 990, 949/50, 982-9, 252-60
Q59 reissued
1/1899
4-2-2 Class A3  Domed Nos. 22, 34, 93/5, 221, 544, 776
Q60 10/1897 2-2-2 Class B7  Domed Nos. 21, 41, 55, 61
Q61 3/1903 4-4-2 Class C1 (LNER C2)  No. 271
Q62 21/5/1903 4-4-2 Class C1 (LNER C1)  No. 251
Q63 27/10/1903 0-8-2T Class L1 (LNER R1)  No. 116, large boiler
Q64 13/1/1905 0-8-2T Class L1 (LNER R1)  Nos. 116-56, small boilers
Q65 24/1/1906 0-4-4T Class G1 (LNER G1)  Domed No. 766
Q66 19/4/1906 Rail Motors Nos. 1, 2
Q67 23/7/1906 0-4-4T Class G3 (LNER G2)  Domed Nos. 682, etc.
Q68 2/1907 4-4-2 Class C1 (LNER C1)  4-cyl. No. 292
Q69 2/1898 2-4-0 Class E1  (LNER E1)  Domed Nos. 702, etc.
Q70 2/1898 2-4-0 Class E1  (LNER E1)  Domed Nos. 89, etc.
(P24) Q71 5/1875 0-4-2 Class F2  Nos. 74, 36 etc. to 66, 551-600
(P31) Q72 9/1882 0-4-2 Class F2  Nos. 103/4/12-5, 105-10
Q73 11/1907 Rail Motors Nos. 1, 2
Q74 3/1908 0-6-2T Class N1  (LNER N1) No. 190
Q75 30/4/1908 2-4-0 Class E1  (LNER E1) Spring gear No. 702
Q76 6/5/1908 0-6-2T Class N1 (LNER N1)  No. 190
Q77 11/5/1908 4-4-2 Class C1  (LNER C1) 4-cyl. No. 1421.
Q78 23/11/1908 4-4-2 Class C1 (LNER C1)  No. 1300 (Vulcan Foundry)
(P31) Q79 9/1882 0-4-2 as Q72
Q80 5/1910 4-4-2T Class C2
Q81 7/1910 4-4-2 Class C1  (LNER C2) Superheated Klondyke
Q82 8/1910 4-4-2                              "         end elevation
Q83 24/5/1911 0-6-0 Class J21  (LNER J1) Nos. 1-15
Q84 19/7/1911 4-4-2 Class C1  (LNER C2) Superheated No. 271

 

 

Dwg.
No.
Date Wheel
Arrange-
ment

Details

Gresley
Era
   

 

Q85 25/7/1913 4-4-2 Class C1  Large Boiler superheated
Q86 268/1913 4-4-0 Class D1  Nos. 51-65
Q87 /1913 4-4-2 Class C1  Large Boiler, piston valves
Q88 19/12/1915 4-4-2 Class C1 4-cyl. No. 279
[NRM catalogue shows this dwg. to be a D1]
Q89 8/6/1921 0-6-2T Class N2  Nos. 1606-15, 1721-70
Q90 29/7/1922 4-6-2 Class A1  Nos. 1470/1

 

 

Dwg.
No.
Date Wheel
Arrange-
ment

Details

LNER
Period

Q91 16/3/1923 4-4-2

Class C1

Q92 9/7/1923 4-4-2

Class C1  No. 1419N with booster

Q93 14/12/1923 4-6-2

Class A1  painting specification

Q94 5/5/1924 0-6-2T Class N2  Left Hand drive
Q95 22/10/1924 0-6-2T Class N2  Nos. 2583-94 Painting Spec
Q96 26/3/1930 4-6-2 Class A3
Q97 11/12/1930 2-6-2T Class V1
Q98 29/10/1931 4-4-0 Geared loco proposal
Q99 25/5/1933 4-6-2 Cass A3  front view
Q100 18/7/1934 2-8-2 Class P2/1  No. 2001
Q101 - 4-6-2 Class A3  poppet valves - not used
Q102 4/12/1934 2-8-2 Class P2/2  No. 2002
Q103 4/9/1935 4-6-2 Class A4  outside elevation
Q104 29/10/1936 4-6-2 Class A4
(Q105) P74

Q105
5/1935

20/12/1935
0-6-0

4-6-0
Class J39 Pipe & Rod
[transferred to P74 21/1/1936]
Cass B17 Pipe & Rod, D'ton EO 633 & 634
Q106 - 4-6-0 Class B17 [? painting spec]
Q107 6/1936 4-4-0 Class D20/2
Q108 7/1938   Loco Class painted on buffer beams, etc.
Q109 3/1939 2-6-0 Class K4
Q110 6/1939 4-6-2 Q110/1 - Class A4 - blue painting spec
Q110/2 - Class A4 - green painting spec
Q111 5/1940 Bo+Bo Painting spec
Q112 - 4-4-0 Class D11  Kitson & Armstrong Whitworth
Q113 12/1941 4-4-0 D49/4  No. 365 Pipe & Rod
Q114 7/1942 4-4-0 D49/4
[NRM catalogue shows "All tank engines"]
Q115 1/1943 4-6-0 Class B1
Q116 5/1943 4-6-0 Class B3/3
Q117 5/1943 4-6-0 Class B3/3 end view
Q118 3/1944 0-6-0DE Diesel Electric Shunter painting spec
Q119 3/1944 4-6-2 Class A2/1
Q120 12/1944 4-6-0 Class B2
Q121 11/1944 0-6-0DE Diesel Electric Shunter general
Q122 5/1946 4-6-0 Class B2  Pipe & Rod
Q123 1/1945 2-6-0 Class K5
Q124 2/1946 4-6-0 Class B1  black painting spec
Q125 5/1946 2-6-4T Class L1
Q126 6/1946 4-6-2 Class A2/3  Nos. 500/11-24
Q127 6/1946 4-6-2 Class A2/3  end elevation
Q128 /1946 4-6-0 Class B1  painting spec
Q129 /1946 4-4-2T Class C12  push & pull gear
Q130 11/1947 4-6-2 Class A2  Nos. 525-39
Q131 10/1947 4-6-2 Class A2  end elevation

 

 

Dwg.
No.
Date Wheel
Arrange-
ment

Details

BR
Period
   

 

Q132 4/1948 4-6-2 Class A1
Q133 4/1948 4-6-2 Class A1  end elevation
Q134 5/1948 4-6-0 Class B1  black
Q135 7/1948 2-6-4T Class L1  black
Q136 7/1948 2-6-0 Class K1  black
Q137 5/1949 4-6-2 Class A1  blue
Q138 5/1949 Bo+Bo painting
Q139 8/1949 2-6-4T Class L1  black
Q140 20/6/1953 Co-Co Class EM2
Q141 8/1957 Bo+Bo Class EM1
Q178   Bo+Bo Class EM1  black
Q180   Co-Co Class EM2

 

 

DRAWINGS FOR TENDERS

One of those minor mysteries is the lack of detail drawings for tenders throughout the Stirling period.  The evidence suggests that drawings for purely tender parts, e.g. frames and tanks, were prepared by a draughtsman in the Works Manager’s Drawing Office (W.M.D.O.), or perhaps located in the Tender Shop.  The Locomotive Drawing Office dealt with couplings, wheels, axle boxes, springs and brake gear.  The Works also prepared the tender arrangement drawings too, copies of which would be sent to the LDO for their information and that of the Locomotive Engineer.   The first twelve entries in the new register under letter R were apparently copies of drawings supplied by the Works Manager, mostly arrangements.  They include a few drawings for obsolete tenders suggesting it was a complete list of all the drawings the LDO had received, and nothing had been discarded.  The R entries in the register were entered exactly as follows.

STIRLING R SERIES

Mar 26 - 52

1

Tender – 1330 galls (Sharps)

Sep 25 - 54

2

  “    for pass eng. 223 to 228

Nov 5  - 59

3

  “      “   “    “  229 “  240

June   - 63

4

  “    Steam                     No 2

Sep 3  - 64

5

Tank for Sharp’s tenders   1 to 30

[blank]

6

Tender                     No 396  –   6 wheels

June   – 66

7

  “              1900 galls                “

Oct    –  “

8

  “              1500 and 2000 galls       “

Feb    - 67

9

  “              2500 galls 420 to 429     “

Aug    –  “

10

  “              2470  “  with well        “

July   - 68

11

  “              1200  “               4 wheels    

Aug    - 72

12

  “              2000 with 3’6” wheels          

The next three R entries in the register were as follows.  Note they were shown as original drawings, drawn out in the LDO and the Works made their own copies.  In particular the 1881 drawings were for the first iron frame tenders.

Feby 1879

13

(original drawing)            2700     “         4’ 0”        “   & Well

May

 

1883

14

   “                          3200 Gals  4’ 0” Wheels & Iron Framing

May 1883

15

  “                         Frame           Do  -   Do     -           Do     -

The next R entry was an arrangement drawing, apparently prepared by the Works, and given the number 13 unaware the LDO had also prepared a drawing with this number.  The LDO seem to have discovered this drawing some time between 1883 and 1889 hence its position out of order in the register.

Octr 15th /81

13

Tender – 2800 Galls with Well

Another arrangement drawing turned up later bearing the duplicate number R14 (but undated) which was presumably drawn out in the Works who were unaware the LDO had already used this number.  This time its title was not entered in the drawing register.  It shows that the main tank held 2400 gallons of water and the well tank a further 500 gallons.  Unusually, the drawing also quoted the coal capacity which was 5 tons.

From then until Stirling’s death the following drawings were registered. They were a mixture of detail and arrangement drawings, all prepared in the LDO

Aug 8th        /89  *

16

Tender – 2100 Galls. – No. 213 Class – (Old frames)

Feby            /90

17

Tank for Tender No 406

March 13th /90

18

Frame for 2600 Gall. Tender

March 5th   /91

19

3500 Gall Tender

July            /94

20

Tender for 8 Ft. engs Nos 1003, 1004, &c  (3850 Gallons)         

Novr           /95

21

Tender  “   5’-0” Goods Engs (Flat bottom)   gallons  **


* drawing dated 22 October 1889. The old No. 213 was replaced by a Stirling engine (8/1889) and for some reason there was a proposal to rebuild the Sturrock tender.

** water capacity not inserted in the entry. Suggested by Malcolm Crawley as possibly 2654.

During the Stirling period a number of detail drawings were prepared by the LDO, of which the following are known. T list drawings are taken from the drawing register, Y list drawing from the NRM catalogue and Z list drawings from a “modern” transcript.

 

Drawing

Date

Details

T28

25/10/1875

Tender wheels & axles

T57

4/4/1878

3’–6” tender wheels & axle for new [axle] box U-55

Z20

3/10/1879

Details for tender brake

Z21

15/12/1881

Angle plates for tender frame

Y109

-/4/1883

Improved buffer for engines and tender

T63

21/6/1884

4’–0” wheel for 3000 gallon tender

T66

24/10/1885

4’–0” wheel for 3000 gallon tender (Steel)

Z25

12/4/1886

Details for tenders (including intermediate coupling)

Z26

-/1887

Details for tenders (including drag)

T73

4/1890

3’-6” wheels for 2600 gallon tender

Z27

7/1895

Coupling for end of tender


For a few years after Stirling’s death the same divided method of preparing drawings for tenders applied.  Eventually all work was done by the LDO.  This change probably came about when design work started with the water pick-up gear and Ivatt discovered tender design work was not centralised as it should have been.

IVATT  R SERIES

From about 1898 all design work connected with tenders was dealt with by the Locomotive Drawing Office.  Only items of particular interest are shown from 1902.

Drawing

Date Details
R22 4/1896 Water Scoop & Details Tender (Flat bottom) 3280 3170 Galls
R23 7/1896 Tender to carry 2900 3670 Gallons (Well Tender)
R24 11/1898 Water Scoop & Details

R25

12/1898 Arrangement of Water Scoop for 3170 gallons Tender
R25
Supplementary
- for Toggle arrangement
 
R26 9/1899 Tender details
R27 1/1901 Details & Arrt of Cylr for Water Pressure - Pick Up Tenders    No. 355
[355 was an old 0-4-2. So number probably incorrect]
R28 6/1901 Well for feed Pipes - Flat Bottom Tenders
R29 12/7/1901 Alteration to 2674 galls Tender (Tender No. 285)
R30 1901  revised 9/3/1905 Detail Arrangement of cylrs for Water Pressure (pickup tenders)
Water Scoop for Flat Bottom Tenders
R31 22/3/1899 Tank for 3730 3720 galls with well TO No. 10
R32 11/1901 Details for flat bottom tank (Angles &c)
R33 3/1/1902 Alteration of Arrangement of Tool Box for Tenders

From hereon only specific drawings for tanks and frames will be listed

Drawing

Date Details
R37 10/1902 3000 Gallons Tender. TO 17 only
R41 10/1904 Frame plate for 3000 Gallon Tender TO 18.19.20
R42 10/1904 Tank for 3000 Gallon Tender TO 18.19.20
R43 12/1902 3000 Gallon Tender general Arrangement TO 18.19.20
R49 10/1906 Tank for 3500 Gallons Tender (Well) TO 21.22.23.24.25.26.27.28
R50 10/1906 Frame plate for 3500 Gallons Tender TO 21.22.23.24.25.26.27.28
R54 11/1906 3500 Gallons Tender (Well Bottom) TO 21.22.23.24
R57 [Gresley] 24/11/1911 3500 Gall. Well Tender [ Well added to R43 tender]

GRESLEY R SERIES

Only items of particular interest are shown. After Grouping Doncaster mainly concentrated on the 8-wheel tenders while Darlington dealt with the 6-wheelers.

Drawing

Date

Details

R59

8/7/1912

Tank for 3500 Gallons Tender TOs 29-43

R61

14/2/1916

3500 Gallons  Tender general Arrangement (as R54)

R63

28/3/1917

2800 Gallons Tender general Arrangement (for overseas)

R64

13/3/1919

Frame plate for 3500 Gallons Tender TOs 35-43

R66 26/1/1921 Tank for 5000 Gallons Tender
R67 10/3/1921 Frame for 5000 Gallons Tender
R82 29/4/1922 Frame for 3500 Gallons Tender TO40

R83

-

5000 Gallons Tender general Arrangement TO40

R108 - 4700 Gallons Tender for Class P1
R127 - 5000 Gallons Tender
R128 - 5000 Gallons Tender with Corridor
R129 5/1928 5000 Gallons Tender with Corridor, Coal 9 tons
R158 4/1931 5000 Gallons Tender with corridor, Coal 8 tons TO53
R192 10/1935 5000 Gallons Tender with Corridor, Coal 8 tons
R262 10/1936 3000 Gallons Group Standard Tender for J39, K4
R268 4/1937 4200 Gallons Group Standard Tender for V2, J39, A2/1, B1
R272 8/1937 4200 Gallons Group Standard Tender for B17 streamlined
R273 9/1937 3500 Gallons Group Standard Tender for J39, K4

POST-GRESLEY R SERIES

Drawing

Date

Details

R318 - 4200 Gallons Group Standard Tender, Welded Tank
R324 12/9/1945 Tank for 4200 Gallons Tender for B1
R325 10/1945 4200 Gallons Tender for B1
R327 24/11/1945 Tank for 4200 Gallons Tender for B1, K1

 

AFTER NATIONALISATION

Drawings for BR Standard engines and tenders are not shown. No drawings for these were seen at Doncaster Drawing Office in the 'sixties.

 

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